{"id":62178,"date":"2019-04-23T08:11:22","date_gmt":"2019-04-23T07:11:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/?p=62178"},"modified":"2019-04-23T08:13:31","modified_gmt":"2019-04-23T07:13:31","slug":"what-does-s-joshua-swamidass-mean-by-secular-scientist","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/what-does-s-joshua-swamidass-mean-by-secular-scientist\/","title":{"rendered":"What does S. Joshua Swamidass mean by &#8216;secular scientist&#8217;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently, he means &#8216;non-confessional,&#8217; since he actively pits &#8216;secular scientist&#8217; over against &#8216;confessional scientist&#8217; at &#8216;Peaceful Science.&#8217;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Swamidass&#8217; chosen dichotomy may seem stark to some people, almost as a kind of &#8216;you&#8217;re with us or you&#8217;re against us&#8217;. Notably, it has achieved some success so far, mainly among natural scientists. In other words, you&#8217;re either with &#8216;mainstream science&#8217; or you&#8217;re against it. Swamidass upholds &#8216;mainstream science,&#8217; while at the same time promoting non-mainstream evangelical protestantism as a &#8216;confessionalist&#8217; approach to the topic.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;The science we are putting forward here is solid. It does not require a religious point of view to accept. Even secular scientists endorse it.&#8221; &#8211; S. Joshua Swamidass<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The devil is in the details when natural scientists write: &#8220;does not require.&#8221; This is the legacy Swamidass&#8217; confused embrace of &#8216;methodological naturalism&#8217; as if it were free from ideology.<\/p>\n<p>So, for Swamidass, Michael Behe (who while both challenging and praising him, called his &#8216;hero,&#8217; before removing it for supposedly &#8216;confusing people&#8217;, with a mere explanation of: &#8220;what can I say?&#8221;) must be labelled as a &#8216;confessional scientist,&#8217; even though he&#8217;s not an evangelical like Swamidass. In other words, Swamidass is dividing people into 2 camps, those who &#8216;confess&#8217; their religion on the internet in public and those who are &#8216;secular&#8217; in doing science. This is why Swamidass is intent on asking people to &#8216;tell us about yourself&#8217; and is actively now flirting with forcing people to reveal their IRL identity on PS in order to participate there.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<!--more Read MORE -->\n\n\n\n<p>Yet this is where it gets confusing because Swamidass has repeatedly noted that he works at a &#8216;secular university&#8217; (WUSTL). So he&#8217;s apparently also a &#8216;secular scientist&#8217; in so far as he&#8217;s a natural scientist who works at a university that is not a private religious one. Yet apparently it is only because he &#8216;confesses&#8217; his &#8216;faith&#8217; (evengelical Protestantism) online that he considers himself &#8216;non-secular&#8217; as a &#8216;practising natural scientist&#8217;. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This raises the question: what about all of the many natural scientists, philosophers and social scientists who don&#8217;t evangelize online and yet are active in conversations about science, philosophy and theology\/worldview? Are they all necessarily counted as &#8216;confessional scientists&#8217; too, or not? In my view, they are not and I would defend non-evangelical but religious scientists (of whom I have come to know many) from Swamidass&#8217; confrontational polemics, which seem to adopt black &amp; white thinking like &#8220;you&#8217;re either with us or you&#8217;re against us.&#8221; This seems to be what Swamidass&#8217; version of &#8216;confident faith&#8217; boils down to.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nevertheless, this in no way takes away from the fact that Swamidass has indeed made a noteworthy splash after his noisy exit from BioLogos. What makes things most interesting about the conversation is the people who have been attracted to PS so far, with its focus on natural science, yet openness and friendliness to theological topics and discussion. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Indeed, a curious mixture of people have answered Swamidass&#8217; call for peace in science, joining in with the mainly evangelical company he has brought along with him. Two of the most active posters at PS, who have been there from the beginning, are a Unitarian Universalist gbrooks9, who joined Swamidass via BioLogos, and a self-described &#8216;militant atheist,&#8217; who supports the Freedom from Religion Foundation in the USA. The latter has created &gt;740 topics, even more than Swamidass himself on his own site so far! Swamidass has gone to significant effort to allow space for atheism to be promoted at PS.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>gbrooks9 speaks regularly as if on behalf of PS, saying: &#8220;We arent trying to prove Adam and Eve existed\u2026 we are proving that they could have been miraculously created\u2026 and science is not in a position to contradict some miracles!&#8221; He follows this by using the pronoun &#8216;we&#8217; to refer to PS, saying &#8220;we have obtained funding.&#8221; This was cleared up by Djordje a Serbian Orthodox who clarified that gbrooks9 hadn&#8217;t himself obtained anything, only Dr. Swamidass. Likewise, Patrick the &#8216;Freethinking Atheist&#8217; confirmed Swamidass &#8220;gets major secular funding to real science at WUSTL.&#8221; Again, what&#8217;s with this primitive &#8216;secular&#8217; vs. &#8216;anything else&#8217; dichotomy, when Templeton has also funded non-evangelicals who at least acknowledge the spiritual realm? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Swamidass&#8217; most outspoken booster said the following: &#8220;You are an atheist who opposes all religion\u2026 so I really don\u2019t care what you think. This site is really not designed for you. It is designed for Christians who want to retain recognition for the evidence of Evolution.&#8221; &#8211; gbrooks9 George (Frantic Unitarian) (<a href=\"https:\/\/discourse.peacefulscience.org\/t\/the-theological-hypothesis-of-adam-in-science\/4437\/78\">https:\/\/discourse.peacefulscience.org\/t\/the-theological-hypothesis-of-adam-in-science\/4437\/78<\/a>) For George, following Swamidass, the online &#8216;confessional&#8217; booth aspect of PS often seems to get in the way more than to edify the conversation. Yet on the coattails of Swamidass&#8217; &#8216;strictly natural science&#8217; approach, even alone Swamidass can continue to be a thorn in the side of the 4 organisations he has positioned himself to oppose as a supposed &#8216;fifth voice&#8217;: Answers in Genesis, BioLogos, Discovery Institute and Reasons to Believe.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>&#8220;The science we are putting forward here is solid. It does not require a religious point of view to accept. Even secular scientists endorse it.&#8221; &#8211; S. Joshua Swamidass <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>While Swamidass continues to push ideological scientism with his &#8220;the Science of Adam&#8221; and &#8220;genealogical science,&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t really matter much if he uses the labels &#8216;confessional&#8217; or &#8216;secular&#8217;, since he&#8217;s made &#8216;THE (natural) science&#8217; into his priority topic and source of dictation. Philosophy is an afterthought, something Swamidass seems to spend little time on and theology\/worldview, other than his own non-mainstream evangelical protestantism, is barely addressed except for by others. Yet rather ironically, it is non-mainstream evangelical protestants themselves who Swamidass must know by now are most confused, contorted and convoluted in this conversation. So it&#8217;s a pleasant surprise that Swamidass is not actively trying to turn the outdated, scientifically under-educated worldview of those evangelicals on its head just yet!&nbsp; <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As chief Swamidass cheerleader George recently responded with exasperation to an atheist MD: &#8220;Go bang your head against a godless tree.&#8221; Apparently that&#8217;s his way to find &#8216;common ground&#8217; with Swamidass as the ringleader and master of ceremonies. <a href=\"https:\/\/discourse.peacefulscience.org\/t\/the-theological-hypothesis-of-adam-in-science\/4437\/130\">https:\/\/discourse.peacefulscience.org\/t\/the-theological-hypothesis-of-adam-in-science\/4437\/130 <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet that kind of talk still seems to be far more &#8216;tolerable&#8217; for his current fan base than Swamidass being told that &#8216;methodological naturalism&#8217; is an untenable ideology, not a sign of someone &#8216;doing good science,&#8217; but rather of an ideologue. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Apparently, he means &#8216;non-confessional,&#8217; since he actively pits &#8216;secular scientist&#8217; over against &#8216;confessional scientist&#8217; at &#8216;Peaceful Science.&#8217;&nbsp;&nbsp; Swamidass&#8217; chosen dichotomy may seem stark to some people, almost as a kind of &#8216;you&#8217;re with us or you&#8217;re against us&#8217;. 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