{"id":46172,"date":"2017-02-02T22:22:00","date_gmt":"2017-02-02T22:22:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/?p=46172"},"modified":"2017-02-02T22:22:00","modified_gmt":"2017-02-02T22:22:00","slug":"two-kinds-of-complexity-why-a-sea-anemone-is-not-a-precambrian-fossil-rabbit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/two-kinds-of-complexity-why-a-sea-anemone-is-not-a-precambrian-fossil-rabbit\/","title":{"rendered":"Two kinds of complexity: why a sea anemone is not a Precambrian fossil rabbit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/7\/76\/Actiniaria.jpg\/320px-Actiniaria.jpg\" width=\"320\" height=\"205\"><\/p>\n<p>The British biologist J.B.S. Haldane is <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Precambrian_rabbit\">said to have remarked<\/a> that the discovery of fossil rabbits in the Precambrian would falsify the theory of evolution. Over at <i>Evolution News and Views<\/i>, Dr. Cornelius Hunter has argued in a recent <a href=\"http:\/\/www.evolutionnews.org\/2017\/01\/sea_anemone_is103456.html\">post<\/a> that the sea anemone (whose genome <a href=\"http:\/\/www.the-scientist.com\/?articles.view\/articleNo\/25223\/title\/Surprises-in-sea-anemone-genome\/\">turns out to be surprisingly similar<\/a> to that of vertebrates) is &#8220;the genomic equivalent of Haldane&#8217;s Precambrian rabbit &#8211; a Precambrian genome had, err, all the complexity of species to come hundreds of millions of years later.&#8221; Apparently Dr. Hunter is under the impression that many of these ancestral genes would have been lying around unused for much of that time, for he goes on to triumphantly point out that &#8220;the idea of foresight is contradictory to evolutionary theory.&#8221; RIP, evolution? Not by a long shot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>An unfortunate misunderstanding<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Dr. Hunter seems to have missed the whole point of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.the-scientist.com\/?articles.view\/articleNo\/25223\/title\/Surprises-in-sea-anemone-genome\/\">report<\/a> that he linked to. A sentence toward the end of the report would have set him right, had he read it more carefully (emphases and square brackets are mine &#8211; VJT):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nIt&#8217;s surprising to find such a &#8220;high level of <strong>genomic complexity<\/strong> in a supposedly primitive animal such as the sea anemone,&#8221; [Dr. Eugene V.] Koonin [of the National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI) in Bethesda, Md.] told <em>The Scientist<\/em>. It implies that <strong>the ancestral animal &#8220;was already extremely highly complex, at least in terms of its genomic organization<\/strong> and regulatory and signal transduction circuits, <strong>if not necessarily morphologically.<\/strong>&#8221;\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s right. Genomic complexity and morphological complexity are two completely different things. <em>That<\/em> was the take-home message of the report. It was also the message of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/nature\/journal\/v455\/n7217\/full\/4551184a.html\">other report<\/a> cited by Dr. Hunter:<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nIt is commonly believed that complex organisms arose from simple ones. Yet analyses of genomes and of their transcribed genes in various organisms reveal that, <strong>as far as protein-coding genes are concerned<\/strong>, the repertoire of <strong>a sea anemone<\/strong> &#8212; a rather simple, evolutionarily basal animal &#8212; <strong>is almost as complex as that of a human.<\/strong> (Emphases mine &#8211; VJT.)\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As if that were not clear enough, Figure 1, on the <a href=\"http:\/\/search.proquest.com\/openview\/7e1df341f454304c9bf938401f4d95f0\/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&amp;cbl=40569\">opening page<\/a> of the report, spells it out:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<strong>Figure 1: Animal miRNAs and morphological complexity.<\/strong> Grimson et al.3 (data along red lines) reveal the evolutionary origin of animal miRNAs by examining organisms at the base of the animal tree. Combining their data with previous work, <strong>three different measures of complexity<\/strong> become apparent: the number of protein-coding genes, total number of neurons and number of miRNAs. <strong>There is relatively little correlation between morphological complexity and the number and diversity of protein-coding genes.<\/strong> However, miRNA number correlates well with the organism\u2019s total number of neurons. Indeed, a large proportion of vertebrate miRNAs are expressed in the nervous system. These data also show the dynamic nature of the miRNA complement in each lineage, particularly visible in rapidly evolving species (<em>Oikopleura<\/em> and fruitfly).\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/4\/42\/LightRefractsOf_comb-rows_of_ctenophore_Mertensia_ovum.jpg\/332px-LightRefractsOf_comb-rows_of_ctenophore_Mertensia_ovum.jpg\" width=\"166\" height=\"300\"><\/p>\n<p>Morphologically, the ancestral animal was a very simple creature &#8211; so simple that the only <a href=\"http:\/\/sitn.hms.harvard.edu\/flash\/2016\/were-the-first-animals-sponge-like-complexity-in-the-animal-tree-of-life\/\">real debate<\/a> going on at present is whether it was more like a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ctenophora\">comb jelly<\/a> (a creature with muscles, a nerve net and sensory organs, but no brain or central nervous system, pictured above, image courtesy of Kevin Raskoff) or a sponge (which is sessile and which lacks a nervous system altogether). Certainly it was nothing like as complex as a fly or a worm.<\/p>\n<p>Genetically, however, the ancestral animal seems to have been in some respects <em>better<\/em> endowed than a fly or a worm. As the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.the-scientist.com\/?articles.view\/articleNo\/25223\/title\/Surprises-in-sea-anemone-genome\/\">report<\/a> cited by Dr. Hunter puts it (emphases mine &#8211; VJT):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThe genome of the sea anemone, one of the oldest living animal species on Earth, shares a surprising degree of similarity with the genome of vertebrates, researchers <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/17615350\">report<\/a> in this week&#8217;s <em>Science<\/em>. The study also found that <strong>these similarities were absent from fruit fly and nematode genomes, contradicting the widely held belief that organisms become more complex through evolution<\/strong>. The findings suggest that <strong>the ancestral animal genome was quite complex, and fly and worm genomes lost some of that intricacy<\/strong> as they evolved&#8230; The researchers also discovered that exon-intron structure is very similar between modern vertebrates and sea anemones. Both have intron-rich genomes and about 80% of intron locations are conserved between humans and anemones. <strong>Fly and nematode genomes, on the other hand, have lost between 50 and 90% of the introns likely present in the animal ancestor<\/strong>.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Building the Precambrian genome &#8211; was foresight required?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>And what were these genes doing in the original ancestor, anyway? Is there any evidence to suggest that they were placed there in an act of foresight, to be used only by the ancestor&#8217;s distant descendants? I&#8217;m afraid there isn&#8217;t. Dr. Hunter has made an inferential leap here. He isn&#8217;t the only one: Dr. Stephen Meyer makes a similar criticism in a 2001 paper which he co-authored with P. A. Nelson and Paul Chien, <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20140416175132\/http:\/\/www.discovery.org\/articleFiles\/PDFs\/Cambrian.pdf\">The Cambrian Explosion: Biology&#8217;s Big Bang<\/a>. Referring to Dr. Susumu Ohno&#8217;s now-famous paper, <a href=\"http:\/\/europepmc.org\/backend\/ptpmcrender.fcgi?accid=PMC38696&amp;blobtype=pdf\">The notion of the Cambrian pananimalia genome<\/a> (<i>Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences<\/i>, Vol. 93, pp. 8475-8478, August 1996), in which Ohno proposed that &#8220;all those diverse animals of the early Cambrian period, some 550 million years ago, were endowed with nearly identical genomes, with differential usage of the same set of genes accounting for the extreme diversities of body forms,&#8221; Dr. Meyer objects that Dr. Ohno &#8220;envisions the pananimalian genome arising well before its expression in individual animals. Specific genes would have arisen well before they were used, needed or functionally advantageous&#8221; (pp. 31-32). However, in his paper, Dr. Ohno makes it clear that the ancestral genome he is envisaging was &#8220;rather modest in size,&#8221; and he points out that <i>all<\/i> of the five genes which he argues were &#8220;certain to have been included in the Cambrian pananimalia genome&#8221; were in fact useful to organisms back in the Cambrian period: indeed, it was possession of these genes that &#8220;made the Cambrian explosion possible.&#8221; Finally, I would like to pass on a rather blunt but factually accurate observation made by Dr. Nick Matzke, in a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/this-is-embarrassing-darwins-doubt-debunker-is-14-years-behind-the-times\/#comment-593647\">comment<\/a> on an <i>Uncommon Descent<\/i> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/this-is-embarrassing-darwins-doubt-debunker-is-14-years-behind-the-times\/\">post<\/a> I authored back in 2015:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n&#8230;[B]ecause he\u2019s not a paleontologist, one thing Ohno misses, IIRC, is that there is clear evidence of bilaterians in the Precambrian \u2014 trackways and burrows indicating bilateral symmetry, a coelom, etc., and these continually increase in complexity through the small shelly fossils, only reaching the \u201cclassic\u201d Cambrian Explosion tens of millions of years later. This is all true regardless of one\u2019s interpretation of the Edicarans etc. Thus, it\u2019s idiotic to say, as Meyer does, that Ohno\u2019s hypothesis means \u201cthe pananimalian genome ar[ose] well before its expression in individual animals.\u201d Fossil traces of bilaterians are there before the Explosion, they had worm-level complexity, all of those common genes between all the phyla basically are what is required to specify a bilaterian body plan, which is what worms have.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In a follow-up <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/this-is-embarrassing-darwins-doubt-debunker-is-14-years-behind-the-times\/#comment-593891\">comment<\/a>, Dr. Matzke added:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThere was, in fact, not a huge amount of origination of genes and proteins required to produce the Cambrian phyla, and we know this because they all have the same basic complement of genes and proteins. The differences that they have are basically due to differential duplication of genes and subsequent modification of genes, and sometimes rearrangement\/recombination of pre-existing gene chunks.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>A mea culpa<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>At the time, I was prepared to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/this-is-embarrassing-darwins-doubt-debunker-is-14-years-behind-the-times\/#comment-593903\">concede<\/a> that Dr. Meyer was &#8220;probably wrong&#8221; on the the question of when these genes and proteins originated, and that they may have arisen long before the Cambrian period. I was even prepared to allow that the genes in the ancestral pan-animalian genome, back in the Precambrian, may have originally had functions of their own, that were later co-opted or ex-apted by their Cambrian descendants, giving rise to <em>new<\/em> functions. But it seemed to me that Dr. Meyer&#8217;s <em>larger<\/em> point &#8211; that <strong>the likelihood of even <i>one<\/i> functional protein fold originating on the primordial Earth was vanishingly low<\/strong> &#8211; was still valid. In the end, I thought that Dr. Douglas Axe\u2019s 2010 paper, <a href=\"http:\/\/bio-complexity.org\/ojs\/index.php\/main\/article\/view\/BIO-C.2010.1\">The Case Against a Darwinian Origin of Protein Folds<\/a>, clinched the matter, since at least <em>some<\/em> new protein folds would have had to have come into existence during the Cambrian explosion, even if (as Dr. Matzke <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/this-is-embarrassing-darwins-doubt-debunker-is-14-years-behind-the-times\/#comment-593699\">pointed out<\/a>) there were only a few folds that were actually unique to bilaterian animals (the group of animals in which the Cambrian Explosion occurred), with just <a href=\"http:\/\/journals.plos.org\/plosone\/article\/file?id=10.1371\/journal.pone.0008378&amp;type=printable\">17 new domains<\/a> at the root of bilateria, (sponges and cnidarians having originated earlier).<\/p>\n<p>How wrong I was. Last year, Rumraket wrote an <a href=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/axe-enw-and-protein-sequence-space-again-again-again\/comment-page-1\/\">excellent post<\/a> debunking Dr. Axe&#8217;s claim that only about one in 10<sup>77<\/sup> sequences of 150 amino acids was capable of folding and thereby performing some function \u2014 <i>any<\/i> function. There are, at the present time, no good grounds for accepting such a claim, and there are several grounds for treating it with skepticism. In my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.angelfire.com\/linux\/vjtorley\/axe.html\">review<\/a> (written last year) of Dr. Axe&#8217;s book, <i>Undeniable<\/i>, I describe how my own confidence in the much-vaunted one in 10<sup>77<\/sup> figure was shattered, when I emailed some scientists in the field who kindly set me straight. I would therefore like to offer my belated apologies to Rumraket and to Dr. Matzke. They were right and I was wrong.<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re going to argue for design in the genome, this is not the way to do it. Here&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=PaXpnz5hBk8\">a better way<\/a>, which doesn&#8217;t even use the word &#8220;design.&#8221; The facts speak for themselves.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Two questions for Dr. Hunter<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Finally, I&#8217;d like to pose two simple questions to Dr. Hunter, regarding the papers he cited:<\/p>\n<p>(1) Do you agree with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/nature\/journal\/v455\/n7217\/full\/4551184a.html\">claim<\/a> that humans are scarcely more complex (genetically speaking) than sea anemones?<\/p>\n<p>(2) Can you cite a single proponent of either Intelligent Design or creationism who predicted this discovery, prior to 2005?<br \/>\n<strong><br \/>\nComplexity &#8211; good and bad metrics<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Regarding (2), I can attest that leading ID proponents fought against the claim, tooth and nail, appealing to the &#8220;fact&#8221; that human beings have 210 cell types, while Cambrian animals had about 50 and sponges, only 5 (see <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20140416175132\/http:\/\/www.discovery.org\/articleFiles\/PDFs\/Cambrian.pdf\">this paper<\/a>, for instance), and arguing that new genes and proteins would have been required to generate these additional cell types. However, the oft-repeated assertion that humans have 210 cell types turns out to be a myth, which has been roundly <a href=\"http:\/\/freethoughtblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2013\/11\/03\/methinks-it-is-like-a-fox-terrier\/\">debunked<\/a> by Professor P.Z. Myers. What&#8217;s wrong with this assertion?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nThe short answer: this number and imaginary trend in cell type complexity are derived entirely from an otherwise obscure and rarely cited 60 year old review paper that contained no original data on the problem; the values are all guesswork, estimates from the number of cell types listed in histology textbooks. That\u2019s it.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And here are the <em>original<\/em> references cited to back up those figures about the number of &#8220;cell types&#8221; (a term which <a href=\"https:\/\/www.researchgate.net\/post\/How_many_cell_types_in_a_human_body_How_about_the_number_of_cell_cycles_in_each_species\">has never been explicitly defined<\/a>) in various kinds of animals (emphases mine &#8211; VJT):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n5. Andrew, W. <strong>1959<\/strong>. Textbook of Comparative histology. Oxford Univ. Press, London<\/p>\n<p>13. Borradaile, L.A., L.E.S. Eastham, F.A. Potts, &amp; J. T. Saunders. <strong>1941<\/strong>. The Invertebrata: A manual for the use of students. 2nd ed. Cambridge Univ. Press, Cambridge.<\/p>\n<p>85. Maximow, A.A. &amp; W. Bloom. <strong>1940<\/strong>. A textbook of histology. W. B. Saunders Co., Philadelphia.<\/p>\n<p>126. Strasburger, E., L. Jost, H. Schenck, &amp; G. Karsten. <strong>1912<\/strong>. A textbook of botany. 4th English ed. Maximillian &amp; Co. Ltd. London.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Further comment is superfluous.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d also like to draw readers&#8217; attention to a 2007 post by Professor Larry Moran, titled, <a href=\"http:\/\/sandwalk.blogspot.ca\/2007\/05\/deflated-ego-problem.html\">The Deflated Ego Problem<\/a>, in which he gently pokes fun at scientists who clung to the belief that the complexity of the human genome was far greater than that of &#8220;primitive&#8221; animals like flies and worms, and listed seven proposals (all invalid, in his view) for redeeming the complexity of the human genome.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Hunter&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.evolutionnews.org\/2017\/01\/sea_anemone_is103456.html\">statement<\/a> that &#8220;we repeatedly find early complexity&#8221; when investigating the history of animals suggests that he would answer question (1) in the affirmative: our genes are about as complex as a sea anemone&#8217;s. As for <em>morphological<\/em> complexity, I can only state that as far as I can tell, there isn&#8217;t any straightforward way of measuring it, although I have no doubt that I&#8217;m structurally far more complex than a worm or a sea anemone. (Insects I&#8217;m not so sure about &#8211; see below.)<\/p>\n<p>I understand that a recent <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/nrg\/journal\/v17\/n12\/abs\/nrg.2016.127.html\">paper<\/a> in <i>Nature<\/i> (which unfortunately I cannot access) has finally addressed the origin and evolution of cell types in a rigorous fashion, and that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nature.com\/scitable\/blog\/bio2.0\/discovering_new_cell_types_one\">Steven McCarroll&#8217;s Lab at Harvard Medical School and the Broad Institute<\/a> is attempting to map the different kind of cells in the body, using micro-RNA.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d like to conclude with a quote from P.Z. Myers&#8217; 2007 post, <a href=\"http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/pharyngula\/2007\/05\/25\/step-away-from-that-ladder\/\">Step away from that ladder<\/a>, on the subject of complexity, which is well worth reading (emphases mine &#8211; VJT):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nI\u2019m fairly familiar with the insect neurodevelopment literature, so <strong>when I saw papers saying arthropods only have 50-60 cell types, alarm bells started ringing.<\/strong>..<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m also familiar with some embryonic vertebrate nervous systems, and I can say that they tend to have many more cells in them \u2014 but they don\u2019t seem to be as precisely identified at the single cell level as the invertebrate CNS. We have large <i>populations<\/i> of cells with similar patterns of molecular specification, rather than this kind of precise, cell-by-cell programmatic identity.<\/p>\n<p>Now, from a genetic perspective, which pattern is more complex? I don\u2019t know. They\u2019re both complex but in very different ways \u2014 <strong>it\u2019s basically impossible at this point to even identify a quantifiable metric that would tell us how complex either of these kinds of systems are.<\/strong> How many cell types are present in this whole animal? I don\u2019t know that either&#8230; <strong>I bet it\u2019s many more than 60, though.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019ll go out on a limb and make a prediction:<\/strong> any difference in the degree of complexity, assuming an objective method of measurement, in the triploblastic metazoa [basically, all animals except sponges, placozoans, cnidaria and possibly comb jellies &#8211; VJT] will much be <strong>less than an order of magnitude<\/strong>, and that <strong>the vertebrates will all be roughly equivalent<\/strong>&#8230; and that if any group within the vertebrates shows a significant increase in genetic complexity above the others, it will be the <strong>teleosts<\/strong>. I\u2019ll also predict that any \u2018extra\u2019 complexity in members of these groups will not be a significant factor in their fitness, although it might contribute to evolvability.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What do readers think? Over to you.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The British biologist J.B.S. Haldane is said to have remarked that the discovery of fossil rabbits in the Precambrian would falsify the theory of evolution. Over at Evolution News and Views, Dr. Cornelius Hunter has argued in a recent post &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/two-kinds-of-complexity-why-a-sea-anemone-is-not-a-precambrian-fossil-rabbit\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1129,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-46172","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46172","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1129"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=46172"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46172\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=46172"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=46172"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=46172"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}