{"id":4045,"date":"2014-02-01T18:40:54","date_gmt":"2014-02-01T18:40:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/?p=4045"},"modified":"2020-06-13T17:24:20","modified_gmt":"2020-06-13T16:24:20","slug":"quizzes-elepthants-methods-and-burdens-of-proof","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/quizzes-elepthants-methods-and-burdens-of-proof\/","title":{"rendered":"Quizzes, EleP(T|H)ants, Methods and Burdens of Proof."},"content":{"rendered":"

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Over in the ID Quiz thread at Uncommon Descent, Mark Frank asks;<\/p>\n

\u201cHere\u2019s quiz on ID for you ID proponents:
\nOn page 21 of \u201cSpecification: The Pattern That Signifies Intelligence\u201d William Dembksi defines the context dependent specified complexity of \"T\" given \"H\" as \"-log_2[M\cdot N\cdot \varphi_S(T)\cdot P(T|H)]\"
\nConsider the context of the bacterial flagellum.
\n1. What is \"T\"?
\n2. What is the function \"\varphi_S(T)\"?
\n3. How is\u00a0\"\varphi_S(T)\" estimated?
\n4. What is \"H\"?
\n5. How is \"P(T|H)\" estimated?
\n6.\u00a0\"M\cdot N\cdot \varphi_S(T)\cdot P(T|H)\" is meant to be a probability. Under what conditions might the answer exceed 1?\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

This seems a fair question, asking IDists to use their own proposed methodology to detect design, empirically.
\nBut instead of heartily embracing this opportunity to show the power of ID, he is set upon.
\nJoe moans that<\/p>\n

\u201cReally Mark? Then tell us how to determine the probability wrt unguided evolution. If you know the answers to your questions you should be able to do that.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Sorry Joe, it\u2019s your methodology, do your own work, if you can.
\nKirosFocus has a length moan from large numbers and incredulity, finishing with;<\/p>\n

\u201cWe cannot stop such from those tactics but we can expose them and red ring fence off those who insist on such tactics.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

STOP. RIGHT. THERE.
\nIf you can\u2019t employ your own design detection methodology it is no ones fault but your own.
\nEither the methodology is unusable,
\nOR non of you are smart enough to use it,
\nOR you\u2019re all secretly supports of Darwinian evolution and are making ID look as ridiculous as possible.<\/p>\n

All Mark Frank has asked is for you to employ your own methodology. You can\u2019t. ID is intellectually bankrupt, and only addressing the required calculations will change that.<\/p>\n

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  Over in the ID Quiz thread at Uncommon Descent, Mark Frank asks; \u201cHere\u2019s quiz on ID for you ID proponents: On page 21 of \u201cSpecification: The Pattern That Signifies Intelligence\u201d William Dembksi defines the context dependent specified complexity of … Continue reading →<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":24,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4045","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4045","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/24"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4045"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4045\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4045"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4045"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4045"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}