{"id":3106,"date":"2013-09-07T22:11:05","date_gmt":"2013-09-07T21:11:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/?p=3106"},"modified":"2014-08-23T13:35:45","modified_gmt":"2014-08-23T12:35:45","slug":"the-limits-of-evolutionism-things-that-dont-evolve","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/the-limits-of-evolutionism-things-that-dont-evolve\/","title":{"rendered":"The Limits of Evolutionism: &#8216;Things That Don&#8217;t Evolve&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Just like the ideology of \u2018naturalism\u2019 claims that *everything* is \u2018natural,\u2019 the ideology of \u2018evolutionism\u2019 says that *everything* \u2018evolves.\u2019 As you have seen recently, I am questioning the ideology of evolutionism openly and directly here at TSZ.<\/p>\n<p>As such, I have a simple challenge for people here:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>What are examples of things that don\u2019t \u2018evolve?\u2019<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It\u2019s a very basic and straightforward question. But it\u2019s one that\u00a0shows itself to be\u00a0very difficult for people who are or consider themselves evolutionists to answer due to the <strong>ideological exaggeration of evolutionary theory (biological, cosmological, cultural or otherwise) into the belief that everything evolves, i.e. into \u2018evolutionism.\u2019<\/strong> Those who are not \u2018evolutionists\u2019 (whether theists or atheists) usually find it easier to answer and thus to circumscribe the meaning of \u2018evolution.\u2019<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>For the more philosophically minded (in case they would like to nit pick the question), please don\u2019t get caught on arguing about what is a \u2018thing.\u2019 Alternatively, the question can inquire the reader to tell us about \u201cthat which does not evolve.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Two qualifications:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>1) Don\u2019t waste energy doing disciplinary dancing. It\u2019s meant as an interdisciplinary question re: evolutionism, as broadly interdisciplinary as imaginable. It could be humanities, social sciences, natural sciences, applied sciences, performance arts, music, sports, cuisine, dancing, religion, politics, language&#8230;whatever you can imagine in the realm of knowledge. Please just state clearly and coherently <strong>what it is that you think &#8220;does not evolve&#8221; in\u00a0a given realm.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>2) It is not an acceptable response to ask me to define \u2018evolution\u2019 as a prerequisite for you before you can possibly give an answer. I know what I mean by \u2018evolution.\u2019 What I\u2019m interested in is what you mean by it and if you limit its linguistic usage in *any* ways. Thus, what I\u2019m looking for is <strong>what you think \u201cdoes not evolve,\u201d according to your language.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In case there might be a theist or two commenting, let us also take off the table the belief that \u201cGod doesn\u2019t \u2018evolve\u2019,\u201d because some people here don\u2019t accept that as being important one way or another and because this is not about an intra-theology dispute.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Context: <\/strong>This question is posed with the assumption (based partly on TSZ\u2019s raison d\u2019\u00eatre against UD) that *everyone* here is actually an \u2018evolutionist,\u2019 with the exception of the IDists who occasionally visit. Those who would wish to openly deny being \u2018evolutionists\u2019 are welcome to do so. It should likely be easier for them to answer the single question of this thread.<\/p>\n<p>The easiest way to disprove my claim (which does obviously seem outlandish to some) that the ideology of evolutionism is indeed problematic is to come up with <strong>many examples of that which does not evolve<\/strong> and thus to prove that <strong>evolutionary theory actually is *not* exaggerated<\/strong>, as I am claiming it is. I\u2019m predicting that no more than 5 significant examples of \u201cthings that don\u2019t evolve\u201d will be contributed on this thread. A more likely result would be less than 3.<\/p>\n<p>Evolutionists tend to be very weak on this question or avoid it entirely, so there is a decent chance that nobody at TSZ will even respond to this thread with positive examples. That, of course, would also prove a point about the ideology of evolutionism being problematic.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for your participation TSZers,<\/p>\n<p>Gregory<\/p>\n<p>p.s. if you are clearly not interested in answering the question and simply seek diversion, your post will likely not remain in the thread; otherwise all people of good will are welcome<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Just like the ideology of \u2018naturalism\u2019 claims that *everything* is \u2018natural,\u2019 the ideology of \u2018evolutionism\u2019 says that *everything* \u2018evolves.\u2019 As you have seen recently, I am questioning the ideology of evolutionism openly and directly here at TSZ. As such, I &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/the-limits-of-evolutionism-things-that-dont-evolve\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1060,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10,49,12,8],"tags":[68,51,67,18,19],"class_list":["post-3106","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evolution","category-philosophy","category-philosophy-of-science","category-theism-and-atheism","tag-anti-evolutionism","tag-epistemology","tag-evolutionism","tag-naturalism","tag-reflexive-science"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3106","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1060"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3106"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3106\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3106"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3106"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3106"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}