{"id":29307,"date":"2015-12-13T15:02:57","date_gmt":"2015-12-13T15:02:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/?p=29307"},"modified":"2015-12-17T13:13:45","modified_gmt":"2015-12-17T13:13:45","slug":"barry-arringtons-bullying","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/barry-arringtons-bullying\/","title":{"rendered":"Barry Arrington&#8217;s Bullying"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p>Cordova knows that by breaking this unstated rule he is in for a heap of trouble. (He was correct.)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/sandwalk.blogspot.com\/2014\/04\/what-would-happen-if-intelligent-design.html\">Larry Moran<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nIn all my life I&#8217;ve never released someone&#8217;s personal correspondence to me for others to see. The letters belong to me, and they are my property now that they have been sent to me. I have an moral obligation to the ID community, the creationist community, the YEC community and the general public, if the letters reveal something that is harmful to their interests, to forewarn them.<\/p>\n<p>Dear ID proponent or creationist or YEC creationist, if Barry pleads or invites your participation at UD, consider my treatment. I feel it a public service to the YEC, the creationist, and ID community to forewarn them of the rude manners they might be subject to.<\/p>\n<p>I kept some of the correspondence private until Barry started calling me a Nazi Collaborator. Now why wouldn&#8217;t Barry say that publicly? Would it make him look like a total jerk to say such things about someone who faithfully served his weblog for almost 10 years, who was on National TV defending ID in 2006, whose ID club members were on National Public Radio and Ben Stein&#8217;s 2008 motion picture <i>Expelled<\/i>, and who was featured in the April 28, 2005 cover story of Nature? The most that I&#8217;ve ever said of Barry in a negative way publicly or privately is reflected in this posting.<\/p>\n<p>The banning happened in stages. But the banning isn&#8217;t the issue. I&#8217;ve banned people from my weblogs. It&#8217;s the lack of transparency. I will now remedy that lack of transparency. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>[emails formatted for viewing]<\/p>\n<p>So when did my UD author privileges get removed? Around the time I responded to someone&#8217;s question of why I left the Roman Catholic church. There are lots of Catholics at UD, they outnumber the Protestants.<\/p>\n<p>In 2014 I posted a brief mention of YEC Mark Armitage lawsuit, which Barry immediately deleted. Shortly afterwards, I tried to log into my account and noticed my author privileges were suspended. No warning whatsoever. Then I get this letter from Barry:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[Subject] YEC<br \/>\nBarry Arrington<br \/>\nAdd to contacts<br \/>\n7\/26\/14<br \/>\n[Keep this message at the top of your inbox]<\/p>\n<p>Sal,<\/p>\n<p>UD is not hostile to the YEC stance; neither is it an organ for it. You showed poor judgment in the post you put up today. Perhaps you should stick to your own sites.<\/p>\n<p>Barry K. Arrington<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We tried to keep the separation quiet. I responded:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[Subject] RE: YEC<br \/>\nSalvador Cordova<br \/>\n7\/26\/14<br \/>\n[Keep this message at the top of your inbox]<br \/>\nTo: Barry Arrington<br \/>\nAcknowledged. It&#8217;s probably in our mutual interest to keep our disagreements between us. I have no intention making any public flap and will quietly do as you said. Thanks for the many years at UD together.<\/p>\n<p>peace,<br \/>\nSal<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Barry responded:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Barry Arrington<br \/>\nAdd to contacts<br \/>\n7\/26\/14<br \/>\n[Keep this message at the top of your inbox]<br \/>\nTo: &#8216;Salvador Cordova&#8217;<\/p>\n<p>Thank you and best wishes.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ironically, Denese O&#8217;Leary wrote pretty much the same thing a few days later:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"poVS1LjHxq\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/uncommondescent.com\/evolution\/developing-story-young-earth-creationist-microscopist-fired-in-wake-of-finding-soft-tissue-from-dinosaurs-sues\/\">Developing story: Young Earth creationist microscopist, fired in wake of finding soft tissue from dinosaurs, sues<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Developing story: Young Earth creationist microscopist, fired in wake of finding soft tissue from dinosaurs, sues&#8221; &#8212; Uncommon Descent\" src=\"https:\/\/uncommondescent.com\/evolution\/developing-story-young-earth-creationist-microscopist-fired-in-wake-of-finding-soft-tissue-from-dinosaurs-sues\/embed\/#?secret=uXs1hEf6lt#?secret=poVS1LjHxq\" data-secret=\"poVS1LjHxq\" width=\"584\" height=\"329\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>At that point, I felt I was lied to. That letter was just a flimsy excuse. Didn&#8217;t matter, I was getting welcomed and sought after in private YEC circles, my true home.<\/p>\n<p>But then, Barry started posting stuff like this about RDFish:<br \/>\nwww.uncommondescent.com\/intelligent-design\/rdfish-is-an-idiot\/<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t think the name calling going on at UD was appropriate for ID&#8217;s premier blog. If you want to slime someone, at least do it with a bit more style. Sheesh Barry, do you have to be so unsubtle?<br \/>\nAnd over what, something not related to ID, but some philosophical question about self-evident morality. I like RDFish, I didn&#8217;t think that was right.<\/p>\n<p>As a joke, on a matter totally unrelated, I wrote this thread at TSZ calling RDFish a genius (he is a genius given his scientific and mathematical background):<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"LIpG4LxFtP\"><p><a href=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/dimensionless-units-rdfish-is-a-genius\/\">Dimensionless units, RDFish is a Genius<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Dimensionless units, RDFish is a Genius&#8221; &#8212; The Skeptical Zone\" src=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/dimensionless-units-rdfish-is-a-genius\/embed\/#?secret=KDLm9R6jtx#?secret=LIpG4LxFtP\" data-secret=\"LIpG4LxFtP\" width=\"584\" height=\"329\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>I then got this terse letter form Barry with no content, just a subject line:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[Subject] You are no longer welcome at UD in any capacity\u200f<br \/>\nBarry Arrington<br \/>\nAdd to contacts<br \/>\n4\/15\/15<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Then in response to Joe Felsenstein I wrote this:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"QjNCCYjUEk\"><p><a href=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/was-denial-of-the-laws-of-thought-a-myth\/\">Was denial of the Laws of Thought a myth?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Was denial of the Laws of Thought a myth?&#8221; &#8212; The Skeptical Zone\" src=\"http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/was-denial-of-the-laws-of-thought-a-myth\/embed\/#?secret=SuNrVad7xJ#?secret=QjNCCYjUEk\" data-secret=\"QjNCCYjUEk\" width=\"584\" height=\"329\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>It was that comment that apparently triggered the Nazi accusation:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[Subject] UD<br \/>\nBarry Arrington<br \/>\nAdd to contacts<br \/>\n9\/13\/15<br \/>\n[Keep this message at the top of your inbox]<br \/>\nTo: stcordova&lt;redacted&gt;<br \/>\nbarry&lt;redacted&gt;<\/p>\n<p>I owe you an explanation for why you have been banned at UD.<\/p>\n<p>We are in a war. That is not a metaphor. We are fighting a war for the soul of Western Civilization, and we are losing, badly. In the summer of 2015 we find ourselves in a positon very similar to Great Britain\u2019s position 75 years ago in the summer of 1940 \u2013 alone, demoralized, and besieged on all sides by a great darkness that constitutes an existential threat to freedom, justice and even rationality itself.<\/p>\n<p>There is another parallel to World War II. We have quislings among us. A quisling is a person who collaborates with an enemy occupying force. The word originates from the Norwegian war-time leader Vidkun Quisling, who headed a domestic Nazi collaborationist regime.<\/p>\n<p>Sal, I accuse you of being a quisling every time you go over to The Skeptical Zone and give aid and comfort to the enemies of truth. Will you cease or will you continue to collaborate?<\/p>\n<p>Barry K. Arrington<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What do I think the real reasons I was tossed were? I&#8217;ve agreed too much with TSZ, Elizabeth, Mark Frank, Patrick, Larry Moran and RDFish and disagreed with Barry, Granville Sewell, KairosFocus, Winston Eweret, VJTorley, Niwrads, StephenB, Upright BiPed, William J. Murry, and who knows whom else. Just about every UD author or ID proponent to some extent. A partial laundry list is of my transgressions is here:<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/theskepticalzone.com\/wp\/wine-cellar\/comment-page-21\/#comment-99616<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s my take on things, but according to Barry it was first because I was posting about Armitage (apparently not the real reason I was tossed since Denyse posted an almost equivalent article a few days later) or that I&#8217;m like a Nazi Collaborator.<\/p>\n<p>UD is becoming a little bankrupt in generating interest, they may need the services of a bankruptcy lawyer soon.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cordova knows that by breaking this unstated rule he is in for a heap of trouble. 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