Dishonesty is the defining characteristics of Trump and his administration, and lies are a daily occurrence. While there are far too many lies to track, I thought a thread dedicated to the worst and most notable lies would be useful. There’s a lot of material to choose from.
(I could have tapped into a rich vein of lies simply by linking to Trump’s Truth Social account — hence the OP title.)
At this stage any semi-competent googler can go down the catalog of Trump’s lies and verify for oneself that each of his lies is indeed contradicting easily available independent facts. The tragic part is that you are unable to do it.
colewd:
Allan:
Textbook case of denial. He is watching the sun rise in the east while denying that the sun rises in the east.
colewd:
Yes, I gave you Trump’s words and I gave you the facts. He lied.
Yes, which is why I gave you Trump’s words and gave you the facts for the other two. Same standard. He lied.
Bill, this is not… healthy.
By the by. I believe the number of wars Trump has ended has gone down to minus one. Perhaps time for Infantino to revoke that prestigious FIFA peace price?
keiths,
It is indeed not healthy to build your views of the world on shaky facts. You are not using the same standard on your new claims. You do not have intent nailed on your new claims. What’s wrong is you are presupposing that Trump is a liar and that maybe skewing your judgement.
Bill, this is not… healthy.
You’re suggesting that Trump actually believes that he tried out for major league baseball alongside Willie McCovey? That he has an entire “memory” of a major life event that never occurred? Does this level of delusion not concern you?
You’re suggesting that he actually believes, or believed when he said it, that the Epstein files were fabricated by Obama, Clinton, Comey, Brennan, and the Biden administration? Despite the fact that his own administration had already released some of them, confirming that they were authentic?
Trump’s lie regarding the Epstein files lie is a twofer because it demonstrates not only his dishonesty but also his stupidity. Pam Bondi staged her “Epstein Files: Volume 1” event in February, and she said that same month that the Epstein client list was on her desk for review at Trump’s directive. The files were constantly in the news during the following months. Then the DOJ issued a memo in July saying that they had “exhaustively reviewed” the files and found no reason to investigate anyone.
It was after all of the above that Trump made his claim about the files being fabricated. Did he actually think no one would notice that he was contradicting what his own administration had been stating for months?
Regarding the baseball tryout lie, it isn’t just that Willie McCovey wasn’t there. It’s that Trump clearly never tried out at all. A reporter looked into Trump’s high school batting average and found box scores for a third of the games Trump played. His batting average was .138, lol. Does anyone think that a major league team would invite a guy with a .138 high school batting average to try out?
Someone here was fond of quoting Molly Ivins’s “military denial”; they’d look you square in the face with bodies piled high and insist nothing occurred.
“The other country pays the tariffs”.
“Drugs come down 1000, 1500, even 500%”.
“I asked Uncle John – Dr John Trump, a brilliant man – about the Unabomber”.
“I – a fat guy in his late 70s – won 38 golf tournaments, fair and square”.
“I stopped eight wars”
“Down is the new Up”
(I paraphrase).
But if you dare think these are ilies – rather than the ramblings of a deluded old man, which is the much more acceptable position apparently – you’re the irrational one, brainwashed.
Allan:
Except that Bill squirms to avoid that implication too:
keiths:
colewd:
Cult rules don’t allow him to say that Trump is a liar, but they also don’t allow him to say that Trump is deluded. That puts him in an uncomfortable position. I almost think he’s headed for the following rationalization. Keep in mind that he hasn’t been arguing (lately, anyway) that Trump isn’t a liar — he’s only been arguing that we don’t know that Trump is a liar. That prepares the way for the following bogus reasoning:
It’s as flimsy as tissue paper. No intelligent person would be fooled by that reasoning, but I don’t think that Bill is trying to persuade us, I think he’s trying to persuade himself. His slavish devotion to Trump is purely emotional and irrational, but the pseudo-logic above might allow him to pretend to himself that he’s being reasonable. It might make him feel better about adhering to a position that even he, at some level, probably recognizes as ridiculous.
One of Trump’s Venezuela lies:
He’s referring to Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, winner of last year’s Nobel Peace Prize. She has the overwhelming support of the Venezuelan people, and Maduro was so frightened of her that the government banned her from the ballot in the 2024 election. Her replacement candidate won in a landslide, according to independent monitors, with 67-70% of the vote, but Maduro stole the election and remained in power.
She enjoys far more support and respect in Venezuela than Trump does in the United States. He’s lying. And if support and respect are the barometers, then by his own standards, Trump (with his 36% approval rating) should resign immediately.
Machado was the obvious (and democratic) choice to lead Venezuela in the aftermath of Maduro’s kidnapping, but instead Trump left the Maduro government in place, just without Maduro.
Why would Trump ignore the wishes of the people? Here’s what the Washington Post reported:
Trump doesn’t care about democracy, and he doesn’t care about the people of Venezuela. He cares about Trump. Widdle Donnie wanted the Pwize, and he’s resentful of the woman who got it and deserved it.
Bill, of all the personality cults you could have joined, why did you pick this weak, insecure and amoral loser to be your leader?
And speaking of approval, Trump is still lying about that, too:
No one (except maybe Bob’s Opinion Research Agency and Auto Repair Shop) has Trump at 64%. Gallup has him at 36% as of December 15th.
Trump is a pathological liar.
keiths,
Step one show the original quotes from the source as you did with the Truth social post regarding Epstein.
Grok man cannot do Google. Or TV for that matter. And we are supposed to learn from you how to research facts?
The original source, at least for me, was a video clip of Trump saying exactly what he said. How much more original do you demand? That clip was televised many times, even on Fox News. How did you miss it?
colewd:
I gave you Trump’s exact words here and here. To figure out how old Donald Trump was when Willie McCovey entered the majors, look up the year Trump was born, look up the year McCovey entered the majors, and subtract the former from the latter. You already know that Obama et al didn’t forge the Epstein documents — all five million of them (or whatever the current DOJ count is).
The rest is up to you. You can deny that the sun rises in the east while watching the sun rise in the east, or you can come to grips with reality.
If you don’t want to face the truth about your Dear Leader — and it appears that you don’t — that’s on you. It’s no sweat off my back. The point of this thread is to document Trump’s lies, not to convince you of them. Watching a cult member fight the truth is just a fascinating bonus.
I do genuinely feel sorry for you. I can see that you’re struggling emotionally with the fact that Trump doesn’t belong on a pedestal, but is in fact a dishonest, weak, insecure, childish, amoral, unintelligent and incompetent man. An inferior man you should be looking down on, not up to. I’d like to help you, but I’m not a cult deprogrammer. All I can do is present you with the truth, take it or leave it, and offer to help you learn how to distinguish truth from fiction.
So far you’ve declined. That’s your choice. Truth is scary to a cult member, and I get that. If I could help you bolster your courage, I would, but the best I can do is to tell you that accepting the truth rather than fighting it leads to a better, more peaceful life.
And as we’ve been saying, Bill is not some outlier pathological case study. It seems that at least a third of Republican voters grip this same delusion with all they’re worth, and it doesn’t matter how many lies Trump tells or how flagrantly obvious they are. These are people who want to be lied to. The truly interesting pathology is the enormous share of viewers addicted to Fox News. Something is very wrong with earth1 if earth2 has that kind of a grip, that even a lobotomy can’t dislodge.
Flint:
It’s far worse than that. In a September 15 YouGov poll, 75% of Republicans said that Trump was “honest and trustworthy”. Same wording in a Dec 15 Gallup poll, where 77% of Republicans agreed that he was “honest and trustworthy”. The Republican Party is the party of mass delusion. Sad, but unfortunately not surprising. In the runup to the 2024 election, polling showed that 60-70% of Republicans still believed that the 2020 election was stolen.
Bill, are you with the nutjob contingent on that question as well as the honesty question?
ETA: I should add that among independents, whose opinions Bill used to regard so highly, only 19% (Gallup) and 18% (YouGov) think Trump is “honest and trustworthy”. Less than 1 in 5. How about them independents, Bill?
So, we just walk in and take stuff we fancy, now? If you’re big and strong enough, I guess***. Lunch Money Diplomacy; MAGA yuk it up like Biff’s goons. It’s what Jesus would have wanted.
*** I am aware certain European countries don’t have a stellar record in this regard.
keiths,
I cannot get to this link. Where was he quoted?
Apparently, colewd has become incapable of clicking on links, even if they lead to pages on the very site he is now posting on. This strange handicap shall henceforth be known as Trumpian Disability Syndrome (TDS).
keiths,
I now see it came from Brian Kilmeade’s book in 2004.
Have you read the entire page that this quote was in reference to? I am not sure how you would conclude this is a lie vs some other explanation? Possibly a lack of memory from 40 years in the past. The name McCovey had little to do with the point he was making.
colewd:
The short answer: because I am not stupid.
The longer answer: because not even someone as addled as Donald Trump would forget whether he tried out for major league baseball alongside a Hall of Famer who was Rookie of the Year and ended up with 521 career home runs.
Do you have trouble remembering whether you tried out for major league baseball against future Hall of Famers?
It had everything to do with the point he was making, which was “I was so good at baseball that it took watching Willie McCovey to convince me that I was better off in real estate.” In reality, Trump had a shitty batting average at a small school in a non-competitive high school league. No major league team would have been desperate enough to invite him to a tryout.
That’s far from the only lie he’s told about his high school athletic prowess, and even now he’s lying about his golf skills. Throw into the mix the fact that he lied about having bone spurs so that he could evade the Vietnam draft, yet those bone spurs somehow didn’t prevent him from being (supposedly) the best athlete at his school and the best baseball player in New York state. Liars — especially dumb ones like Trump — have a hard time keeping their stories straight.
Trump is a liar, Bill. That’s the reality. I’ve presented you with the facts, but I can’t help you come to grips with it emotionally. That’s up to you and your therapist.
keiths,
You are not stupid but you let bias get in the way of objectively analysing information. This has been a trend in prior posts. You made a claim of 30000 lies and you have been able to establish 1 so far.
colewd,
Oh good grief, Bill! As Burns Night approaches, we might resurrect “Oh, wad the power the giftie gie us, to see ourselves as others see us”.
Still waiting for you to support your claim that any of these lies (WaPo carefully avoids the word) is in fact propaganda. That is a positive claim, before you go all ‘burden shift’ on me.
keiths,
I remember trying out for major league baseball like it was yesterday. Not something you’d forget in a hurry. I barely knew which way round to hold the stick, but they loved my British accent.
So, Renee Good was a “professional agitator” according to Trump’s own words (“Did he write them? Can you prove she wasn’t? Can you prove he really thought she wasn’t?” says the dedicatedly objective observer untroubled by bias). So are we saying she got paid to agitate? On what grounds?
On Greenland meanwhile, America can have all the bases it wants (but has reduced), can bid for mining rights all it wants. But Trump says he can’t do this without ownership. He claims the seas around it are full of Russian and Chinese ships – but these don’t show up on maritime trackers. So I guess they are cloaked, and we must Trust Trump. Because why would he lie? He’s never lied before, not once. That’s just propaganda.
Allan:
Corneel,
I miss the ‘like’ feature.
He established every single one he discussed, the problem is you’re the biased one in a cult so you just don’t want to admit it.
keiths,
It appears you have not read the book or the article on Trump as you have taken the statement out of context.
This book is about how sports can help you compete in life. In the article Trump states how the athletes who have to work hard due to not having elite talent do better in business due to a work ethic that they learned playing sports.
1 supported claim out of 30000 so far.
Allan Miller,
Hi Allen
Initially it is propaganda only for news outlets that labeled misinformation as lies. What also may have made it propaganda is that they did not say it was based on repeated statements and that the use of the word misstatement was based on their opinion.
That is not, in any way, supportive of the claim “it [the database] is propaganda”. Pick a claim and support your contention.
[eta – the header points out that repeated claims are included. Would it be not propaganda if there were a list of 5,000 unique false statements instead? That repeating each claim multiple times is somehow … OK?]
Or…
“He lied! I agree, that’s terrible!”
…
“He repeated the lie ten times … meh. No biggie”.
Allan Miller,
The 30000 lies claim is not supported by the facts. When someone states 30000 lies and there are not 30000 lies in the basket they are trying to mislead. When you label statements misstatements based on opinion and not facts you are trying to mislead. Do you disagree misleading statements are propaganda?
Keiths has claimed 30000 lies and been able to support one. Would you find this embarrassing if this was your claim?
Anyway, good to see the good people of Minneapolis fighting back after the atrocious murder of Renee Good (the excess of ‘good’ in that sentence was unintentional; I’ll let it ride). It is clear that the officer who shot her, initially from the front, had come from her right side while she was distracted by those to her left. Never walk right-left in front of a car whose driver is focussed to the left, eg when turning into traffic. She wasn’t, but same principle applies. She should have stopped (in the wacky world where you pin a marshal’s badge on masked amateurs), but was likely unaware of the officer. She may even have died unaware of him. Shooting the driver is no way to stop a vehicle. They aren’t going to brake, and may convulsively hit the gas, as appeared to happen here – the vehicle completed its turn and only stopped on hitting a parked car and the kerb.
Trump and Noem clearly lying about this – we can all see the footage; the guy was uninjured, and no reason to suppose anyone else would be. Trigger-happy. Normally, a full investigation would be appropriate. But no, Trump and Noem decided she had it coming.
Trump pardon incoming, no doubt.
30,000 false and misleading statemnents. They clearly state that repeats are counted. Are you really trying to argue that, if he says the same false statement repeatedly, it stops being a lie?
He has supported every one that has been discussed – as have I. You have not supported any claim that any given instance is proaganda. You even agree that he makes false and misleading statements.
Right now, I’m more embarrassed for you.
colewd:
So your argument is that in context, it’s true that Trump attended a tryout he didn’t attend and competed against a player he didn’t compete against? That the context turns the lie into a non-lie? That when Trump said…
…that his statement was true in context?
colewd:
You’re saying that had the book been titled “Kilmeade’s Book of Sports Lies”, then in that context Trump’s lie would have been a lie, but since the book was about how sports can help you compete in life, the lie wasn’t a lie?
Trump’s deliberate false statement wasn’t a lie even though you’ve long agreed that deliberate false statements are lies?
What a weird, desperate argument. Your therapist has their work cut out for them.
Allan Miller,
Are you really saying repeating a statement that is false 10 times is the same as repeating 10 false statements?
What each of you has demonstrated is you repeat bald assertions just like you are doing above. When I dig into the detail your claims all fail except for one. Can you find another lie that you can support as Keiths has with the Epstein claim?
You are devoid of details. It is not even clear why you concede one statement, while still irrationally sticking to your boneheadedness on everything else for no reason, despite all the obvious evidence that Trump is a pathological liar. Namely he lies all the time (kinda same as you). Instances when Trump tells the truth are precious few and very hard to find because, guess what, he does not repeat the truths.
colewd:
Are you really saying that if Trump lies to a crowd in Canton, Ohio, and then repeats the lie to a crowd in Des Moines, Iowa, that he isn’t lying to the people in Des Moines? Here’s the standard the Washington Post used: If Trump repeated a lie during an event, it only counted once. If he repeated it at a different venue, it was counted again.
Which makes perfect sense. If an embezzler tells his boss “I didn’t take the money” and then says it again to a judge and jury, would you argue that he isn’t lying the second time? Think, Bill.
That, ironically, is a bald assertion. Do you know what the phrase means? A bald assertion is one that is stated as fact when there is no supporting evidence. The evidence is the hair, and when it’s missing, the assertion is bald. Our assertions have luxurious manes.
I said Trump lied about never having been on Epstein’s plane, and I quoted his words. I said Trump lied about the Epstein files having been created by Obama et al, and I quoted his words. I said Trump lied about Willie McCovey, and I quoted his words.
There’s a lot of hair on those supposedly bald assertions.
You’re terrified of digging into the details. We’ve asked you repeatedly to show us the bogus entries you claim are in the Washington Post database, but you run away every time.
I’d love to talk details with you. Let’s discuss the following, all of which I’ve mentioned in this thread alone:
1. Trump’s lies about prices and inflation
2. His lies about his approval numbers
3. His lie about María Corina Machado’s support in Venezuela
4. His lie about Willie McCovey
5. His lie about being an excellent student at Wharton
6. His lie about being first in his class
7. His lie about having negotiated 200 trade deals when in fact he had done zero
8. His lie that the six Democrats told service members to disobey his orders
9. His lie that they committed “A CRIME OF SERIOUS PROPORTION”
10. His lie about “many great legal scholars” agreeing with him about that
11. His lie about there having been no murders in DC in six months
12. His lies about his golf tournament wins
13. His lie about Haitian immigrants eating people’s pets
14. His lie about having said that he’d have “no problem” with releasing video of the Venezuelan boat strike
15. His lie about ending
sixseveneightten6.022 x 10^23a huge, Nobel-worthy number of wars16. His lie that the New York Times is “failing”
17. His lie that he won the 2024 election in a landslide
18. His lie (to a child!) that he won Pennsylvania three times
19. His lie that America is “RESPECTED AGAIN all over the World, respected like never before”
20. His lie that the Biden administration had “the Highest Inflation in history”
21. His lie that he “brought that down to normal”
22. His lie that the New York Times deliberately misreported his election results
23. His lie about not having used the term “shithole countries”
24. His lie about Ilhan Omar marrying her brother
25. His lie that farmers are “so happy” about the $12 billion bailout
26. His lie that his tariffs are making farmers rich
27. His lie that the US was “invaded by an army of 25 million people” during the Biden administration
28. His lie (across a full decade!) about having a healthcare plan
29. His draft-dodger lie about having bone spurs
30. His lies about his wealth (the “John Barron” story)
31. His lies about crowd sizes
32. His lie about never having been on Epstein’s plane
33. His lie that tariffs aren’t inflationary
34. His lie that other countries pay the tariffs
35. His lie that the Epstein files were created by Obama, Clinton, Comey, and Brennan
I was genuinely curious about the number of lies I had mentioned to you in this thread, but until I skimmed it, I had no idea the number would be almost three dozen. Do you seriously expect us to believe that among all those, number 32 is the only genuine lie?
Are you prepared to look at the details, or are we going to hear more vague, bald assertions from you about “propaganda” and “bias [sic] sources”?
keiths,
They are not lies they are unsupported claims. You have one supported claim. Pick anyone of the above and support it vs the failure on the Trump baseball story. Please filter the list for opinion vs fact.
colewd:
What failure? We’ve agreed that if a) it’s false and b) Trump knew it was false, then it’s a lie.
1. Is it false? Yes. Trump didn’t try out for major league baseball with Willie McCovey.
2. Did Trump know it was false? Yes. Trump is addled, but he made that statement twenty years ago. He was stupid back then, too, but stupidity is different from a severe memory deficit. There is no evidence that Trump had a severe memory deficit. (Plenty of evidence that he was dishonest, though. That’s been lifelong.) Those of us without severe memory deficits can remember whether we tried out for major league baseball against a Rookie of the Year and future Hall of Famer.
When Trump said he had tried out for MLB with Willie McCovey, he knew that he hadn’t tried out for MLB with Willie McCovey. In other words, he lied. My claim makes sense and it fits the evidence perfectly.
Let’s compare my explanation to yours. At first, you suggested that Trump misremembered. I pointed out how ridiculous that was, and you dropped it.
At that point you were SOL. It was clear that Trump knew that what he was saying was false. Your solution? Redefine the word “lie”, with no justification whatsoever. Now, evidently, a lie is only a lie if it is the main topic, or something:
Your task: Explain how Trump’s deliberate, false statement — a lie by the definition you agreed to — is no longer a lie once you consider the context, despite the fact that it remains a deliberate, false statement. How does the context perform that miracle?
When you’ve presented your explanation, we can compare it to mine to see which one is more plausible and fits the evidence better.
Sounds scary, doesn’t it? What’s your next move? Stand up for your Dear Leader, or run away?
Are you really saying that counting one utterance is valid but the same utterance repeated is propaganda? I’d say repeating a lie makes it less forgivable, but that’s just me.
It’s a looking-glass world an’no mistake. We show where Trump uttered the words, show why it can’t be true, you mouth “bald assertion”. Our assertions have a fine head of hair. Unlike the deck-stained Combover King.
Done and done. Perhaps you could remind us of a such a claim investigated by yourself and found wanting? How about his uncle giving his opinion on the Unabomber despite having died 11 years before he was unmasked?
keiths,
See, this is the problem with a profligate liar like Trump. A long list just gets the reaction “I ain’t readin’ all that!”. There are so many, none can be true. Only a propagandist would come up with so many; real liars are much more economical…
I’ve developed a rather morbid fascination with the Renee Good incident. Vance, Noem, Miller have all jumped on the Trump lying train. Trump calls her a ‘professional agitator’ based on no evidence. Noem, Miller: ‘domestic terrorist’. To Vance, a ‘deranged leftist’, which is merely a hyperbolic synonym for ‘presumed Democrat voter’. So what was that about turning down the temperature after Charlie Kirk? About ‘demonisation’? They can get fucked.
She was calmly waving their vehicle on. The only signs of derangement were from ICE. Law Enforcement should not approach a car and scream “get out of the fucking car!”. Standards are to approach calmly, de-escalate, manage the situation calmly, and for fuck’s sake (I paraphrase) don’t shoot the driver of a moving vehicle, endangering passengers and the public, unless absolutely necessary.
We can all see what happened. His life was not in danger. If it had been, she’d have driven straight at him, and his instinct would be to get out of the way, not adopt a firing stance and put a bullet hole where, if it hit her head, the ballistic track would place him out of danger at that moment. Then two more through an open window. Insurance in case she drives off, turns round, tries again? Wait and see, Tex. Wait and see.
Once shot, the car continues its turn and accelerates – presumably she went into spasm, foot on the gas, and the wheels straightened due to central tendency. It was at its fastest at the moment of impact with pole/parked car. An object lesson in why not to shoot the driver. And whatever you do, don’t stand in front. You have a duty to manage the situation for the safety of all.
It’s a litmus test. Show MAGA the same footage and it’s a deranged radicalised lefty using her car as a weapon while immigration agents simply want to have a quiet word. Her wheels spin initially because she stuck her foot down, not because it was icy (despite one officer going down like Bambi, and the door-grabber clearly skating).
It will be interesting to see how the DoJ handle this one. Already some strange strings being pulled in the investigation. Good luck, America.
Allan Miller,
No I am saying the total count of lies is different than the utterance. Conflating them is dishonest.
Politicians spin and Trump spins. This is all the data appears to show.
A repeated unsupported claim.
I will look into this one. Why did she not follow law enforcement’s request and you appear to jump on the lying train pretty fast due to bias.
colewd,
The Post does not conflate them. It clearly distinguishes repeated claims. Did you even look? Suppose it was 5,000 different claims, not 30,000 including repetition. Would you then agree he’s a liar? Or find some other reason to squirm…?
That’s a no, then. You haven’t actually investigated any, just pretend you have.
Reporting a conversation that cannot possibly have happened is not ‘spin’; it is a lie. Trump must have lied. And here’s you airily waving it away, as per.
Repeatedly supported. No-one in history (to borrow a Trumpian phrase) has made as many false and misleading claims as Trump. You prefer not to call them lies, for bizarre psychological reasons; I feel no such restraint, and you never offer any reason counter to that position beyond the bald assertion “it’s propaganda”. So yes. I challenge you to apply the Post’s same standards to any other politician.
You have jumped on the ‘not lying’ train due to bias. I have seen the footage, I have followed this closely. Trump, Vance, Miller and Noem are flat out lying about this lady. She did not have to obey their instructions. ICE do not have unlimited powers against citizens. There are standards of engagement, not followed. And not doing so in any case does not make her a professional agitator, domestic terrorist nor a deranged leftist. Claimed the officer was deliberately driven at, that he was injured. None of this checks out.
She was murdered.
Allan:
This is the car of the “domestic terrorist”:
She was a mother of three and had just dropped her six-year-old off at school. That’s her blood all over the airbag. Those are stuffed animals sticking out of the glove box. A “domestic terrorist”? Someone who was hoping to run over some ICE agents? What the fuck is wrong with these people?
keiths,
Chilling footage released from the officer’s phone. Although her wife goads them a tad, Renee is friendly, speaks calmly, smiling to the officer who moments later executed her. This is not the demeanour of a threat. He walked in harm’s way while she was distracted by yelling officers to her left. There’s a dog in the back – could as well have been a kid. Not sure it survived; the 2 shots through the open window exited through the door the dog was at. The shot through the windscreen, if it hit her head, was fired from beside the car’s trajectory, not in front. She put left lock on to reverse – if she’d planned to hit him, she’d have gone the other way to line him up. She then turns right, and he isn’t even knocked off balance (despite deliberately sped-up footage appearing to show him dragged yards). If a car hits you, you can’t get 3 quick shots in. All in all, very sad. And now people say she asked for it, deserved it? If you obey instructions you get to keep your life, as one goober put it. America was founded on respect for authority, of course…! Even if he felt under threat, a bullet won’t stop a car.
Allan Miller,
The current evidence I have seen is that a bullet when through the front window of an approaching car that means the car was a weapon to the officer who pulled the trigger.
Why don’t you wait for evidence before jumping to a conclusion that does not fit the currently available evidence.
It’s very clear now you and Keiths are projecting patricians and there is no independent thought. So far you guys are parroting the same anti conservative script.